Comments on: The People Who Think SOA is Dead, Are Dead http://havemacwillblog.com/2009/01/13/the-people-who-think-soa-is-dead-are-dead/ Oh please, not another Mac bigot Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:34:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Tushar http://havemacwillblog.com/2009/01/13/the-people-who-think-soa-is-dead-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-4091 Tushar Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:44:38 +0000 http://havemacwillblog.com/2009/01/13/the-people-who-think-soa-is-dead-are-dead/#comment-4091 My response: http://architecture-soa-bpm-eai.blogspot.com/2009/03/is-soa-dead-nope.html My response: http://architecture-soa-bpm-eai.blogspot.com/2009/03/is-soa-dead-nope.html

]]> By: jordan braunstein http://havemacwillblog.com/2009/01/13/the-people-who-think-soa-is-dead-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-4003 jordan braunstein Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:21:01 +0000 http://havemacwillblog.com/2009/01/13/the-people-who-think-soa-is-dead-are-dead/#comment-4003 I just blogged that I think “Big SOA is Dead; Little SOA is Thriving” at: http://tinyurl.com/soa-today2 . Ok, maybe Big SOA isn’t “dead”, but certainly struggling to convince companies to invest in BPM, BAM, ESB (Big SOA) in today’s economic climate is a tough, academic sell when they can go Little SOA with positive ROI. Organizations want rapid results– they want SOA Today and not 6-9 months down the line! I just blogged that I think “Big SOA is Dead; Little SOA is Thriving” at: http://tinyurl.com/soa-today2 . Ok, maybe Big SOA isn’t “dead”, but certainly struggling to convince companies to invest in BPM, BAM, ESB (Big SOA) in today’s economic climate is a tough, academic sell when they can go Little SOA with positive ROI. Organizations want rapid results– they want SOA Today and not 6-9 months down the line!

]]> By: Carsten Molgaard, The Rasmussen Report http://havemacwillblog.com/2009/01/13/the-people-who-think-soa-is-dead-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-3971 Carsten Molgaard, The Rasmussen Report Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:26:55 +0000 http://havemacwillblog.com/2009/01/13/the-people-who-think-soa-is-dead-are-dead/#comment-3971 Robin, I think what some see as the "Death of SOA" is just a natural part of the way new technology is adopted. Instead of looking too close, zoom out take the longer view: The time has come for the 'Architecture' part of SOA. http://rasmussenreport.wordpress.com/2009/02/16/the-death-of-soa-maybe-later/ Robin, I think what some see as the “Death of SOA” is just a natural part of the way new technology is adopted. Instead of looking too close, zoom out take the longer view: The time has come for the ‘Architecture’ part of SOA.

http://rasmussenreport.wordpress.com/2009/02/16/the-death-of-soa-maybe-later/

]]> By: The Death of SOA? - Maybe later « The Rasmussen Report: Enterprise Architecture, Strategy, Business and Technology http://havemacwillblog.com/2009/01/13/the-people-who-think-soa-is-dead-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-3970 The Death of SOA? - Maybe later « The Rasmussen Report: Enterprise Architecture, Strategy, Business and Technology Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:15:41 +0000 http://havemacwillblog.com/2009/01/13/the-people-who-think-soa-is-dead-are-dead/#comment-3970 [...] The People Who Think SOA is Dead, Are Dead [...] [...] The People Who Think SOA is Dead, Are Dead [...]

]]> By: Bloor Robin http://havemacwillblog.com/2009/01/13/the-people-who-think-soa-is-dead-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-3894 Bloor Robin Sun, 25 Jan 2009 03:55:28 +0000 http://havemacwillblog.com/2009/01/13/the-people-who-think-soa-is-dead-are-dead/#comment-3894 Holding both sides and LOL.... Holding both sides and LOL….

]]> By: Tim Negris http://havemacwillblog.com/2009/01/13/the-people-who-think-soa-is-dead-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-3893 Tim Negris Sun, 25 Jan 2009 02:51:00 +0000 http://havemacwillblog.com/2009/01/13/the-people-who-think-soa-is-dead-are-dead/#comment-3893 Don't forget the Deus Ex Machina! In Greek drama, the deus ex machina, "god from the machine", was a device whereby the dramatist tidied up an unruly outcome by bringing in a "spokesgod" to explain what the play itself did not but should have. In a Wikimedia entry for "Benevolent Dictator" (of all things) we are reminded of this element of the SOAestrian Tragedy: "The most famous example of deus ex machina from ancient drama is probably the ending of the Oresteia: even the gods are at a loss whether Orestes was wrong in killing his mother or right in avenging the death of his father. At this point some deus ex machina descends and proposes a solution (note: not all dramatists use the same god(s) at this point, neither do they all give exactly the same plot ending to the Oresteia cycle)." If commentators are the Greek Chorus, does that make analysts the Deus Ex Machina? Riff on... Don’t forget the Deus Ex Machina!

In Greek drama, the deus ex machina, “god from the machine”, was a device whereby the dramatist tidied up an unruly outcome by bringing in a “spokesgod” to explain what the play itself did not but should have.

In a Wikimedia entry for “Benevolent Dictator” (of all things) we are reminded of this element of the SOAestrian Tragedy:

“The most famous example of deus ex machina from ancient drama is probably the ending of the Oresteia: even the gods are at a loss whether Orestes was wrong in killing his mother or right in avenging the death of his father. At this point some deus ex machina descends and proposes a solution (note: not all dramatists use the same god(s) at this point, neither do they all give exactly the same plot ending to the Oresteia cycle).”

If commentators are the Greek Chorus, does that make analysts the Deus Ex Machina?

Riff on…

]]> By: Thinkovation » Blog Archive » SOA - Dude, it’s alive and kicking http://havemacwillblog.com/2009/01/13/the-people-who-think-soa-is-dead-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-3872 Thinkovation » Blog Archive » SOA - Dude, it’s alive and kicking Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:30:21 +0000 http://havemacwillblog.com/2009/01/13/the-people-who-think-soa-is-dead-are-dead/#comment-3872 [...] Robin Bloor “SOA is not only alive and kicking, it isn’t even confined to its sick bed on doctors orders. It’s up and out there jogging in the park with the rest of those other healthy IT concepts like mashups, Open Source and cloud computing.” [...] [...] Robin Bloor “SOA is not only alive and kicking, it isn’t even confined to its sick bed on doctors orders. It’s up and out there jogging in the park with the rest of those other healthy IT concepts like mashups, Open Source and cloud computing.” [...]

]]> By: Bloor Robin http://havemacwillblog.com/2009/01/13/the-people-who-think-soa-is-dead-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-3868 Bloor Robin Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:55:22 +0000 http://havemacwillblog.com/2009/01/13/the-people-who-think-soa-is-dead-are-dead/#comment-3868 It is, as you suggest, terrible news for the book. We were hoping that SOA had died in the same way that Elvis died, with no-one being exactly sure whether SOA was dead or not. Then there would be rumors about SOA being spotted in a data center in Memphis or at a truck stop on Route 66. Some people would maintain that SOA was actually living under an assumed name in Luxemburg, or hiding in the jungles of Guatamala or sharing a cave with Osama Bin Laden on the borders of Afghanistan. Sales of the book would be awesome and I'd keep appearing on television to comment on the various "supposed" sightings of SOA. It is, as you suggest, terrible news for the book. We were hoping that SOA had died in the same way that Elvis died, with no-one being exactly sure whether SOA was dead or not. Then there would be rumors about SOA being spotted in a data center in Memphis or at a truck stop on Route 66.
Some people would maintain that SOA was actually living under an assumed name in Luxemburg, or hiding in the jungles of Guatamala or sharing a cave with Osama Bin Laden on the borders of Afghanistan. Sales of the book would be awesome and I’d keep appearing on television to comment on the various “supposed” sightings of SOA.

]]> By: We’re all dead - get over it | Irregular Enterprise | ZDNet.com http://havemacwillblog.com/2009/01/13/the-people-who-think-soa-is-dead-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-3867 We’re all dead - get over it | Irregular Enterprise | ZDNet.com Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:54:42 +0000 http://havemacwillblog.com/2009/01/13/the-people-who-think-soa-is-dead-are-dead/#comment-3867 [...] then a couple of other posts caught my attention. Analyst Robin Bloor uses a Greek play metaphor to get across his message about SOA’s reported death: Unfortunately, SOA has been too [...] [...] then a couple of other posts caught my attention. Analyst Robin Bloor uses a Greek play metaphor to get across his message about SOA’s reported death: Unfortunately, SOA has been too [...]

]]> By: Dale Vile http://havemacwillblog.com/2009/01/13/the-people-who-think-soa-is-dead-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-3866 Dale Vile Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:38:26 +0000 http://havemacwillblog.com/2009/01/13/the-people-who-think-soa-is-dead-are-dead/#comment-3866 Sadly, having gathered input from quite a few thousand people on SOA related activity over the past three years across the US, Europe, and a number of emerging markets, I have to confirm that SOA is very much alive and kicking. We are generally picking up much more success than failure in our quantitative research studies. So bad news for the book I'm afraid :-( Or is it? The most common situation we find at the moment is people looking to learn more and evolve their approaches after proving the concept. The first couple of projects tends to confirm the direction, but also raises a bunch of questions about how to take things to the next level. Is your book available in Polish, Hungarian, etc? If not, Wiley should translate. The state of SOA interest/maturity there is perfect for the Dummies treatment. Sadly, having gathered input from quite a few thousand people on SOA related activity over the past three years across the US, Europe, and a number of emerging markets, I have to confirm that SOA is very much alive and kicking. We are generally picking up much more success than failure in our quantitative research studies. So bad news for the book I’m afraid :-(

Or is it? The most common situation we find at the moment is people looking to learn more and evolve their approaches after proving the concept. The first couple of projects tends to confirm the direction, but also raises a bunch of questions about how to take things to the next level. Is your book available in Polish, Hungarian, etc? If not, Wiley should translate. The state of SOA interest/maturity there is perfect for the Dummies treatment.

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